Special Relativity – Relativity of Simultaneity in Special Relativity

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I’ve read a lot of article about the topic and I think I understood it : according to the theory, two observers in two different frames of reference can disagree on the order of two events. For observer o1, event e0 happened before event e1, for observer o2, it is the reverse.

What bothers me though is that it seems to me it takes for granted that both observers look to the two events without knowing the basics of special relativity: if they knew better and had access to the other observer’s frame of reference, they would be able to see the reality of the events.

In the example of the Einstein train, if both the bystander and the train passengers know of the train movement, there is no reality relativity, there is an absolute state of the universe, right?

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In the example of the Einstein train, if both the bystander and the train passengers know of the train movement, there is no reality relativity, there is an absolute state of the universe, right?

Not in the meaning of the word "state" that you are thinking here. The issue is that there is no way for the bystanders and the train passengers to "know of the train movement". The relative velocity between the bystander and the passengers is a physical fact, but that relative velocity could be because the bystander is moving or because the passengers are moving or because both are moving. There is no possible way (even theoretically) to distinguish those cases. Therefore there is no way to set any absolute state of simultaneity because simultaneity depends on the reference frame.

There is an "absolute state of the universe", but simultaneity is simply not part of it. We typically don't use the word "absolute" to describe it, but instead use the word "invariant" or "covariant". "Absolute" has some bad connotations.

In the invariant description of the universe things are described in terms of coordinate-independent geometric objects called tensors. The tensors may be described with respect to some chosen basis, but they are themselves a geometric object that is independent of such descriptions.

Simultaneity is simply not a part of this tensor-based description of the universe. There is no "simultaneity tensor". The simultaneity concept itself is not part of the state of the universe in any invariant sense. Instead, what is invariant is causality. The universe "cares" that if A causes B then A must come before B, that is an invariant fact. But if A and B could not be causally related then the universe simply doesn't care which happens first. That idea that such non-causally-related events should have a temporal order is a human conceit, not a fact of nature.

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