[Physics] Why does it make any physical sense for a body to have negative potential energy

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Sorry to ask the long way, but trying to make the question clear so that I can get a clear answer.

Why does it make any physical sense for a body to have negative potential energy?

If a body A is at infinite distance from another body B, it has zero gravitational potential energy, but if it is at "zero" distance from another body B, it has negative infinite potential energy, and acquires infinite kinetic energy in the process of getting there.

Please don't tell me that the zero point of potential energy is arbitrary, and it could just as well have zero potential energy when it is at zero distance from another body B, and positive infinite potential energy when it is at infinite distance from the other body B. How can it have this? When body A is at infinite distance from the other body B, then it is not influenced by the other body B at all, it is as if the other body B does not exist at all, so then the potential energy in body A must be zero, as there is no gravitational field of the other body B to cause any potential energy in body A.

But then the question is if the potential energy contained in the body A is zero at infinite distance from the other body B, then how is it possible for this zero potential energy to be reduced further and get changed to kinetic energy as the body A accelerates towards the other body B, so that the potential energy becomes negative? As I see it, if the body A never had any potential energy to begin with, then this not present energy cannot change into kinetic energy, otherwise we would be creating kinetic energy out of nothing.

Why does it make any physical sense to say that the body is in "potential energy debt", ie the potential energy is reduced to negative when it was zero to begin with?

Best Answer

If a body A is at infinite distance from another body B, it has zero gravitational potential energy, but if it is at "zero" distance from another body B, it has negative infinite potential energy, and acquires infinite kinetic energy in the process of getting there.

It's not a good idea to bring in the infinities which arise when modeling objects as classical points. It's well known and understood that things like point charges and point masses are extremely useful tools in classical physics, but lead immediately to nonphysical infinities if you ask the wrong questions about them. If you want to be safe, then replace your point masses with little grains of sand or dust or something, so your statement becomes "if it is touching another body B, it has negative potential energy $-U$, and acquires kinetic energy $U$ in the process of getting there."

Please don't tell me that the zero point of potential energy is arbitrary, and it could just as well have zero potential energy when it is at zero distance from another body B, and positive infinite potential energy when it is at infinite distance from the other body B.

Nobody says this. It's true that the zero point of potential energy is arbitrary, but the gravitational potential function for a point mass is singular at $r=0$, so that's the one place where you can't define the gravitational potential to be zero (or anything else - the potential function is undefined here). If you adopt the "grain" picture I mentioned above, however, you're free to set the zero point wherever you wish, at least in the context of non-relativistic physics.

You are assigning a bit too much physicality to potential energy, I think. Potential energy is simply a function of position which is defined in such a way that as long as the associated force is the only one doing work on the body, then the combination $E=KE + PE$ remains constant. But of course, if I added $17\ J$ to the PE at every point, then that total would still be constant. The physical thing is the potential energy difference between two points in space, not the actual value of the potential energy at any particular point.

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