[Physics] Why can no observer measure proper time here

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This is a relatively difficult question I found on a past exam (12% got it right):

Two spacecraft travel in opposite directions, with spacecraft Ajax travelling at a speed of 0.5c and spacecraft Hector travelling at a speed of 0.4c. Both are travelling relative to the inertial frame of the galaxy. The situation is shown below.

A radio signal is emitted by Ajax towards Hector.

How can proper time be measured for the interval between the radio signal being emitted on Ajax and the signal reaching Hector?

A. Use measurements made by the crew on Ajax.
B. Use measurements made by the crew on Hector.
C. Use measurements made by an observer stationary at the point where the signal was emitted.
D. No single observer can measure proper time for this case.

The answer is D. I don't quite understand why, is it because the signal is only one way and there is no way to measure proper time due to there being no singular stationary frame that the event can be measured from? If the signal was reflected back would Ajax be able to measure proper time?

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In my opinion the question is poorly formulated. Its answer depends a great deal on a subjective or context-dependent choice of terminology, not only on physical facts; it leaves some important points unspecified; and it confuses "being undefined" with "being unmeasurable". These concerns are also expressed in joigus's answer and R.W.Bird's comment. Let me address these points in turn.


First, whether the term "proper time" can be used for a lightlike path is a matter of convention, personal choice, and context. If we are dealing with signals that propagate with speed lower than $c$, then the term "proper time" is appropriate and can be calculated or measured (see below) to be larger than zero. If the speed of the signal is increased to have a limit value of $c$, the proper time will have a limit value of zero. In such a circumstance it can be useful to simply keep the term "proper time" and say that its value is zero when the signal becomes lightlike, rather than declaring the term to be suddently inapplicable in the limit case. This is a matter of terminological convention, not of physics.

This kind of limit situations appears often in relativity. Consider for example this quote from Gourgoulhon (2012):

As a consequence, in that region, the proper time (of Eulerian observers) between two neighbouring hypersurfaces tends to zero as $t$ increases.

In fact, the radio signal could be propagating through rarefied matter, say, and therefore have a speed lower than $c$. In this case we can speak of a non-zero proper time of the interval between source and target.


Second, being undefined and being unmeasurable are two very different things, and their distinction is very important in physics. For example, "Regarding electromagnetic field quantities, we take the position that they are not measurable except in vacuo" (Hutter & al 2006), and yet we define them also within matter, where they are not measurable. The unmeasurability leads to several different definitions and formulations (the Chu formulation, the Minkowski formulation, and various others). The definitions are inequivalent, but the formulations are nevertheless equivalent (and many of them are indeed used today) because they lead to the same predictions for the quantities that can be measured. For a discussion of these matters see for example Penfield & Haus (1967) or Hutter & al (2006).

In the present case it could be even argued that we don't even have a problem of definition, see below.


Third, it is not clear (at least from the snippet you quote) what the authors mean by "to measure". The proper time of a timelike path represented by a curve $C\colon [a,b] \to \text{spacetime}$ is given by the integral (see eg Misner & al 1973 p. 316) $$ \int_a^b \sqrt{\Bigl\lvert \pmb{g}[\dot{C}(t),\dot{C}(t)]\Bigr\rvert}\ \mathrm{d}t \ , $$ where $\pmb{g}$ is the metric.

This integral, which can be generally called "path length", is also defined for lightlike and spacelike paths. There are several ways to measure the path length. For a timelike path it can be directly measured by one clock moving along that path. For spacelike or mixed paths the procedure is a little more involved but still based on observers carrying clocks; see the illuminating discussion in Frankel (1979) ch. 2, or in Landau & Lifshitz (1996) § 84. It's because of the difference between these possibilities that we use the term "proper time" in the timelike case and "proper length" (see eg Misner & al 1973, p. 324) in the spacelike one.

Yet, in all cases the path length can also be measured by any observer (enough close to the region of the path) equipped with a "radar system". Such an observer is basically just measuring and reconstructing spacetime and its 4D geometry in a local neighbourhood, and can therefore compute the lengths of any paths in that neighbourhood. The path length of the radio signal in the question can be measured by any observer with this same method. I would call this a "measurement" as well. After all, we do measure the universe around us, and we rarely (if ever) do so by really sending observers around with clocks. See for example Dautcourt (1983) on this. Komar (1965) could be quoted here:

At any given instant in time an observer "sees" or collects information simultaneously from all events which lie on his past null cone. [...] The events, which we may visualize as stars in the night sky, are not distinguished or located by measurements of distance, but exclusively by measurements of angle and relative intensity of light. If we wish to consider measurements which can extend over some finite time interval we must also include measurements of frequency.


To summarize, I would discard all answers provided in the question and would give this answer instead:

If the signal propagates with speed less than $c$, its path length [defined by the integral above] could be directly measured by an observer moving with the signal and carrying a clock. For this reason we call the path length "proper time" in this case. But it could also be measured by any other enough close observer by a system of radar measurements, and all observers would agree on its (non-zero) value. If the signal propagates on a lightlike path, the path length could not be directly measured by the clock-carrying observer, and for this reason we may not want to call it "proper time". But it could still be measured by the radar-system observers, who would agree on a value of zero; in some situations we could agree to still call this "proper time" out of convenience, since its value changes continuously with continuous deformations of signal paths.


I would also counter-propose this (hopefully unrelated) question, taken from Gibson (1964):

(i) Do we, in our schools and colleges, foster the spirit of inquiry, of skepticism, of adventurous thinking, of acquiring experience and reflecting on it? Or do we place a premium on docility, giving major recognition to the ability of the student to return verbatim in examinations that which he has been fed?


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