[Physics] Tension between two/three ropes using vectors

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Say there are three points, $a$, $b$, and $c$, with associated vectors $\vec{r_a}$, $\vec{r_b}$, and $\vec{r_c}$. $a$ and $b$ are both attached to firm surfaces, and each are connected to $c$ by ideal ropes. Force $\vec{F}$ acts on point $c$.

I am trying to find the tension in the rope connecting $a$ and $c$, let's call it $\vec{T_{ac}}$, with $\vec{T_{bc}}$ in the other rope.

First I use Newton's 2nd law to get $\vec{F} = \vec{T_{ac}} + \vec{T_{bc}}$.

Now is it wrong that $\vec{T_{ac}}$ is the projection of $\vec{F}$ onto $\vec{r_{ac}}$? Because that seems too easy. I think it involves balancing the components in each direction.

I can handle that in 2D, but then in the 3D case ($a$, $b$, and $c$ connected to $d$ with $\vec{F}$ acting on $d$), I'm having trouble grasping this.

I can't think of what coordinate system to use to get the components of the $\vec{T_{ij}}$s in each direction.

Any help for me and my 2D brain would be much appreciated.

Best Answer

The same conditions hold for equilibrium. The sum of all forces must be $0$: $$\sum \vec F=0$$

This can be broken into corresponding components: $$\sum F_x=0$$ $$\sum F_y=0$$ $$\sum F_z=0$$

Below is an image of what I think the problem you are working with is. I have drawn the force vectors, and drawn a plane perpendicular to the applied force $\vec F$ at the common point of where all the forces are applied.

Force diagram

Let's say $\vec F$ points in the negative $z$ direction. As you can see, we can use the three triangles drawn to determine the $z$ components of each of the tension vectors. Their sum is determined by the magnitude of $\vec F$.

We can also use the triangles to figure out the projections of the tension vectors onto the specified plane (it can be the $x-y$ plane if you would like). These are the primed vectors specified in the diagram. From there the problem reduces into a 2D equilibrium problem in that plane, which it seems like you are able to grasp.

I will leave the finer details to you.