[Physics] Normal force on vertical circular motion

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I have a couple of questions concerning vertical circular motion. The object shown in the diagram moves with constant speed on the inside of a circle.

In point A the normal force points to the center of the circle and the centripetal force is the vector sum of gravitation and normal force. Here the facts are clear.

  1. As for point B: where does the normal force point? If the centripetal force (who should point to the center) is the resultant of the normal force and gravitation, then the normal force should point a bit higher. Is this reasoning correct?

  2. In point C I think there is no normal force, only gravitation pointing downward. What then gives the centripetal force in this point?

  3. In point D I know that both gravitation and normal force point downward and their combination is the centripetal force. At the minimum speed that will prevent the object from falling, the normal force is 0 and the gravitation is the centripetal force. If the speed is larger, then the normal force will be positive and will combine with gravitation to result in the centripetal force. But if the speed is lower than the falling threshold, the normal force will be negative. I think this means it will point upward. But – shouldn’t the difference between the gravitation and the negative normal force add up to the required value of centripetal force and prevent the object from falling? This is absurd; but I cannot explain why.

Best Answer

Let's review some basics.

A normal force means that part of the contact force between two objects (usually solids) that is directed perpendicular to the surface of contact. It's force will always be only as much as is needed to prevent the two object from occupying the same space.

A centripetal force is one that points toward the center of curvature. For objects whose motion is known (or constrained) to be along a prescribed curved path the net radial force will be exactly sufficient to provide the proper centripetal acceleration, which is $v_t^2/r$ (where $r$ is the radius of curvature and $v_t$ is the tangential velocity) on purely geometric grounds.

Now applying this understanding to the above problem.

  1. You have correctly identified the two forces at work in the problem and weight and normal force (there may also be friction in a real case, but we're presumably ignoring that).

  2. You write

    "the centripetal force is the vector sum of gravitation and normal force"

    which is incorrect because that vector sum may or may not be radial and the centripetal force is radial by definition. You may, however, identify that net force as a sum of the centripetal force and a tangential force.

  3. As a consequence of the above misunderstanding, you suggest that at point B the normal force should point in some non-radial direction, but this is incorrect because the normal is perpendicular to the plane of contact which on a circle means radially.

  4. I'm not sure why you suggest that the normal force at point C should be zero, but that is also wrong. The object is in curving motion and that means it has a centripetal acceleration. Gravity can't provide that acceleration because it point tangentially to the path at the point, so the whole centripetal acceleration is down to the normal force.

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I'm not going to continue, because you should have something to work out the hard way, but the whole analysis rests on getting the behavior of the normal force and the nature of centripetal accelerations right. Always check with the basics.


Questions that might help you:

  • Does the object keep the same speed as it goes round the track? Why or why not? If not, what forces cause it to speed up or slow down? Can the normal force play a part in that?

  • Under what circumstances can a normal force be negative (that is tending to pull two object together)?