[Physics] How would one determine how old a black hole is

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Would different observers agree on the age? Or is this question nonsensical? e.g. what's north of the north pole?

There are ways of estimating the ages of stellar bodies using various methods but is there a method for black holes?

My main stumbling block is the slowing down and 'stoppage' of time of objects near the event horizon as far as faraway observers are concerned. Theoretically one should be able to 'see' everything that 'fell' into the black hole since the time it (the EH) was formed. Obviously the older stuff should be more red-shifted than newer stuff but the entire spectrum should be seen: from slightly shifted to slightly less than infinitely shifted.

Best Answer

By black hole most of us mean the Schwarzschild metric, but the Schwarzschild metric is time independant i.e. it represents a black hole that has existed for ever and will continue to exist for ever. So it has no age in any useful sense of the word.

The problem with real black holes is that, as discussed at some length following Hawking's recent paper, Scwartzschild observers (i.e. you and I) will never see a true event horizon form. The best we will ever see is an apparent horizon. So if you consider a black hole to exist only if it has a true horizon then we can't assign an age to a black hole because none exist.

I'd probably go along with the pragmatic view expressed in BMS's answer. If you take the black hole at the centre of our galaxy it seems a bit pedantic to point out that it only possesses an apparent horizon, and therefore isn't really a black hole, when its worldline certainly leads to a black hole whether we'll be around to see it or not. Most of us would judge the age of the black hole to be about the age of the Milky Way.

Viewed this way, you're really asking about the age of the black hole's surroundings, whether it's a galaxy like the Milky Way or a supernova remnant as in BMS's example. You'd judge this age as you would for any similar cosmological body.

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