[Physics] How did Rutherford’s gold foil disprove the plum pudding model

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What stops one of the two following scenarios from happening, consistent with the plum pudding model?

  1. The $\alpha$ particle, attracted by the electrons on the outer shell of the pudding, orbits nearly parabolically around the atom, causing the near-180 degree deflection angle seen.

  2. The $\alpha$ particle hits a plum pudding atom directly, and because the atom consists largely of positive charge, it is deflected by nearly 180 degrees.

Followup: did they know anything about the spacing of these plum-pudding atoms? Did they expect them to be lined up in a grid-like way; difficult to penetrate?

I am a physics undergraduate, I've only taken an intro QM class, it would be nice if that were kept in mind while answering.

Best Answer

The $\alpha$ particle, attracted by the electrons on the outer shell of the pudding, orbits nearly parabolically around the atom, causing the near-180 degree deflection angle seen.

This wouldn't happen because of momentum conservation. It was reasonably established in 1909 (when the gold foil experiment was done) that electrons were light, so if an alpha particle were to be reflected by interaction with an electron, the electron would be kicked out of the gold atom with even higher velocity in the opposite direction. $v_e \approx \frac{m_\alpha}{m_e}\Delta v_\alpha$

Besides, in the plum pudding model, the electrons are distributed throughout the atom, not all on the surface. The same reasoning applies, though, regardless of how the electrons are distributed.

A gold nucleus is much more massive than an alpha particle, so it can reflect the alpha particle without recoiling very strongly itself.

The $\alpha$ particle hits a plum pudding nucleus directly, and because the nucleus consists largely of positive charge, it is deflected by nearly 180 degrees.

The defining feature of the plum pudding model is that there was no nucleus of positive charge. What you're describing here is exactly what did happen, it just wasn't a prediction of the plum pudding model.

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