- For a reversible path between two states (1 and 2), entropy change of a system is NOT zero. It is
$$\Delta S = \int_a^b \frac{dQ}{T}$$
For reversible path between two states, entropy of the universe (Or any isolated system) is zero.
$$\Delta S + \Delta S_\text{surroundings} = 0$$
So You cannot just take any system and say that entropy change between two states for this system will be zero because it is zero for a reversible process. It is not. So when you say
Surely the total change of entropy is zero.
for reversible process of closed system, it is not true.
Answer to This question might help you here.
- As for the first part of your question, I don't understand what the question is. Could you edit it to be more specific?
Also, You said the following, which is false.
The entropy changes of the system are same for both cases, reversible
and irreversible processes because the first and final states are
unchanged. In this situation I think the surrounding also have the
same first and final states for both reversible and irreversible
processes.
We don't know whether surrounding has same first and final states or not. We only know about the system's first and final states. Think about it this way: In a reversible process, system is going from state A to B, and so is surrounding. Since it is reversible, $ \Delta S_{System} = - \Delta S_{Surrounding} $. So ultimately, $ \Delta S_{Universe} = 0$.
Now for an irreversible process, we know that through this irreversible path, the System goes from A to B. We don't know about surroundings. Now, since system's states are same, $ \Delta S_{System} $ will be same as above case. For the surrounding, you say that states are same as the reversible case. But then, here also $ \Delta S_{Surrounding} $ would be same as before and again $ \Delta S_{Universe} = 0$. But we know that that is not true for irreversible process. Hence, Surrounding's states must be different. So, in irreversible process, while the system goes A to B same as before, the surrounding must go from A to some C. There is no reason to believe that it would go from A to B again.
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Net entropy change means entropy change of the world (world means system plus environment). Carnot cycle is a reversible cycle. For a reversible cycle, world entropy change is zero. Because both of system and environment return to their initial states when cycle is completed. But, for an irreversible cycle, world entropy change (net entropy change) isn't equal to zero. Although the system returns to its initial state, but the environment doesn't. So, net entropy change won't be zero and according to Increase in Entropy Principle, it will be positive.
Best Answer
If the heat is transferred reversibly, the temperatures of the two bodies have to be the same. Transfer of heat from hotter to colder body is irreversible.