[Math] the source of this famous Grothendieck quote

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I've seen the following quote many times on the internet, and have used it myself. It is usually attributed to Grothendieck.

It is better to have a good category with bad objects than a bad category with good objects.

Question: Does anyone know the source of this quote, or at least when it first appears, or when it was first attributed to Grothendieck?

I wish I were able to properly cite this popular and insightful quote.


Added: On a related topic, another quote I wish I could cite properly, usually attributed to Manin, reads:

Proofs are more important than theorems, definitions are more important than proofs.

Does anyone know a source for this quote?

Best Answer

In response to your second question, this is not precisely what you're looking for, but here is one quote by Yuri Manin along the same lines:

All the other vehicles of mathematical rigor are secondary [to definitions], even that of rigorous proof.

Manin makes this remark in an essay, entitled "Interrelations between Mathematics and Physics" that contains more memorable phrases, such as the final line of this extended quote:

All the other vehicles of mathematical rigor are secondary [to definitions], even that of rigorous proof. In fact, barring direct mistakes, the most crucial difficulty with checking a proof lies usually in the insufficiency of definitions (or lack thereof). In plain words, we are more deeply troubled when we wonder what the author wants to say than when we do not quite see whether what he or she is saying is correct. The flaws in the argument in a strictly defined environment are quite detectable. Good mathematics might well be written down at a stage when proofs are incomplete or missing, but informed guesses can already form a fascinating system: outstanding instances are A. Weil’s conjectures and Langlands’s program, but there are many examples on a lesser scale.

To the contrary, an inexperienced reader of the most interesting physical papers is often left in a vacuum about the precise meaning of the most common terms. Physicists are undoubtedly constrained by their own rules, but these rules are not ours. What is a current algebra, a supersymmetry transformation, a topological field theory, a path integral, finally? They are very open concepts, and it is precisely their openness that makes them so interesting. Here is what the history of our two metiers teaches: we cannot live without each other. At least for some of us, life becomes dull if it goes on for too long without contacts with good physics. In this century romantics comes from physics. Mathematics supplies hygienic habits and headaches.