[Math] Can the equation of motion with friction be written as Euler-Lagrange equation, and does it have a quantum version

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My (non-expert) impression is that many physically important equations of motion can be obtained as Euler-Lagrange equations. For example in quantum fields theories and in quantum mechanics quantum equations of motion are obtained from the classical ones only if a Lagrangian (or Hamiltonian) is known for the classical case. Is my understanding too oversimplified?

Are there examples of physically important equations which are not Euler-Lagrange for any Lagrangian?

More specifically, let us consider the classical motion of a particle in $\mathbb{R}^3$ with friction:
$$\overset{\cdot\cdot}{\vec x}=-\alpha \overset{\cdot}{\vec x},\, \, \alpha>0,$$
namely acceleration is proportional to velocity with negative coefficient.

Is this equation Euler-Lagrange for an appropriate Lagrangian? Is there a quantum mechanical version of it?

Added later: As I mentioned in one of the comments below, I do not really know how to make formal what is "quantum mechanical version". As a first guess one could try to write a Schroedinger equation with general (time dependent?) Hamiltonian such that some version of the Ehrenfest theorem would be compatible with the classical equation of motion with friction.

Best Answer

  1. Well, there is always the trivially enforced solution $$\tag{1} S[x,\lambda]~=~\int\! dt \sum_{i=1}^3\lambda_i(t) \left(\ddot{x}^i(t)+\alpha \dot{x}^i(t) \right),$$ where $\lambda_i(t)$ are three Lagrange multiplier variables. From now on we assume that we are not allowed to use other variables than $x^i(t)$.

  2. Whether the 3D ODE $\ddot{\bf x}+\alpha\dot{\bf x}=0$ has a Lagrangian formulation or not is in general a hard problem, see e.g. Douglas' theorem and the Helmholtz conditions on this Wikipedia page. (We are unaware if these conditions have been completely analyzed in 3D. On the other hand, it is easy to see that the corresponding 1D problem has a Hamiltonian action formulation, at least locally, cf. e.g. this Phys.SE answer.)

  3. The 3D problem simplifies enormously if we assume that the form of the kinetic part $T$ of the Lagrangian $L=T-U$ is just $T=\frac{1}{2}\dot{\bf x}^2$. (This assumption is of course heavily motivated from physics, and is undoubtedly necessary if we would like to make quantum mechanical sense of the system.) Then OP's question essentially boils down to if there exists a velocity-dependent potential $U({\bf x}, \dot{\bf x})$ for the friction force ${\bf F}=-\alpha \dot{\bf x}$. This is equivalent to asking if the Helmholtz conditions [1] $$\tag{2} \frac{\partial F_i}{\partial x^j} -\frac{1}{2}\frac{d}{dt}\frac{\partial F_i}{\partial \dot{x}^j} ~=~[i \longleftrightarrow j], \qquad \frac{\partial F_i}{\partial \dot{x}^j}~=~-[i \longleftrightarrow j].$$ are satisfied. It is a straightforward to see that this is not the case. (Already the second condition (2b) is not met.) See also this related Phys.SE post. For a general discussion of the notion of conservative force for velocity-dependent forces, see e.g. this Phys.SE answer.

References:

  1. H. Helmholtz, Ueber die physikalische Bedeutung des Prinzips der kleinsten Wirkung, J. für die reine u. angewandte Math. 100 (1887) 137.
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