Wrong with the two fair dice probability question reasoning

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There is a game where you are asked to roll two fair six-sided dice. If the sum of the values equals 7, then win £21. However, must pay £5 to play each time both dice are rolled. Do you play this game?

One way to think about this is that getting a 7 comes with 1/6 chance, and to make money we need to get 7 at a rate of 1/4, so the answer is not to play.

Another way to think about it is: what is my chance of throwing a 7 at least once in every 4 throws? In which case I would calculate a probability of not throwing a 7 4 throws in a row (5/6)^4, and then subtract this from 1 to get a probability of throwing at least one 7. Which is 1 – (5/6)^4 = 0.52. By this logic I would play the game.

Both of these answers cannot be correct. Could someone explain to me which one is incorrect and why? Thanks!

EDIT: wow, this is the first time I asked a question on StackOverflow, did not expect to get so many responses. Thank you all, I am very grateful!

Best Answer

Your first approach is correct, at least approximately. (If you won £20 on a 7, then you'd need to roll 7's at a rate of $\frac14$ to break even. Since you win £21, you can afford a slightly lower rate, though not as low as $\frac16$.)

Your second approach is wrong. It's true that more than half the time, you win at least once over a sequence of four throws. However, all that tells you is: more than half the time, you don't lose money. This doesn't mean that you break even on average! In fact, it tells you that:

  • Approximately $48\%$ of the time, you roll no 7's, and so you lose £20 over the course of four throws.
  • Approximately $52\%$ of the time, you roll at least one 7, and you make a net profit of at least £1. Most of the time, this will be exactly £1.

This doesn't look as good anymore. In general, just because a random variable is positive more than half the time, doesn't mean its expected value is positive.

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