Real Analysis – Changing Order of Logical Symbols $(\forall \epsilon) (\exists\delta)$ by $(\exists \delta)(\forall\epsilon)$ in Limit Definition

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Some time ago a professor told the class, which I was in, to analyze why this definition of limit is not good (or if it is a good definition to argument why):

There exists a $\delta>0$ for all $\epsilon>0$ such that, for all x, whenever $ 0<|x-a|<\delta$ then $|f(x) – L|<\epsilon$

Or, in other words, changing the order of the logical symbols $(\forall \epsilon) (\exists\delta)$ by $(\exists \delta)(\forall\epsilon) $ in the epsilon-delta limit definition implies a bad functioning definition of limit?

Recently this question has returned from the universe of non answered question and it has brought another doubt. Is there some counterexample that can bring a contradiction to this bad definition?

When I try to respond this question I can't find a counterexample since everything I think is linked with the original limit definition. I am still trying to find sufficient small $\delta$ for a arbitrary small $\epsilon$. But when I enunciate the above definition, intuitively something sounds different.

Can anyone help?

Best Answer

Let's analyse this logically, because what else do we do in mathematics?

There exists $\delta$ for all $\epsilon$

This entails that for some $\delta$ we have that it is independed of our $\epsilon$. That means if $\epsilon=1$ or $\epsilon=10^8$ we have the same $\delta$, which is bad because it can be suddenly at any difference. For example

$$f(x)=\sin x$$ we can have $\epsilon=2$ and clearly there exists a $\delta$ satesfying the criteria but equally clearly is it that it does encompasses all all points, so if we let $x\to 0$ we have it converges to all values in $[-1,1]$.

The key here is that $(\exists\delta)(\forall\epsilon)$ implies that if $\delta$ is thought of as a function of $\epsilon$ then $\delta(\epsilon)=C$, that is with respect to $\epsilon$ it's constant for that given value.

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