Solved – Standard error bars overlap but significance – estimated marginal means versus observed means

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I'm running a Mixed effects model ANOVA with two fixed factors (condition, repetition) and one random factor (subject). Subsequently, a Tukey multiple comparisons test is performed.

Now I'd like to plot the means and standard errors (SEMs) of the single conditions in a single error bar plot, and report the p values between the conditions.

The problem: while in the Tukey test, I got significant differences and non-overlapping SEMs between certain means, for my plotted real/observed data the SEM bars overlap.

This is now counterintuitive, since commonly you would assume that in the case of overlapping, the means are not significantly different.

My question is:

  • is the difference between estimated marginal means and observed means due to having a random factor in my model, or what is the reason for the discrepancy?

  • how would you report the data? Would you still plot observed data with the p values and state that the p values are derived from the estimated model? Or would you plot estimated means and standard errors?

Thank you!

EDIT: I'm adding the multiple comparisons result for a sample case as well as the observed means and standard error plot in case this helps.

Observed means and standard errors

Multiple comparisons result

Best Answer

Statistical significance is not transitive. If you want to say how much error there is in estimating the means, show error bars around the means. If you want to compare the means, show results of multiple comparisons. Don't mix those two ideas together. It is quite possible - especially in mixed models - that means can have similar standard errors, but comparisons among the means have radically different standard errors.